The truth is this interview changed nothing for me. I just see it as the latest in the chapter in the Downgrade of John Piper & Desiring God Ministries and Rick Warren being Rick Warren.

To read what I’ve written before see the link below.

For a detailed look at this interview, I suggest you listen to or download the mp3 of Chris Rosebrough and Phil Johnson’s critique of this interview. Chris includes many clips of Warren’s previous messages and compares what Warren said previously VS the answers that he gave Piper here.

-  – Part 1

- Part 2

- Part 3

I pretty much agree with their critique here, with the exception that Phil Johnson is way too charitable towards John Piper and perhaps Phil’s friendship with Piper is clouding his judgment on Piper.

One inconsistency they missed.

There seems to be an inconsistency between Warren’s story on how and when he was called to preach and his call to ministry from the story here and a previous story he has told many times.

Warren said here, that he was preaching in High School @ the age of 16 and that he preached over 100 revivals by the age of 20.

Previously Warren has told the story many times, that he received the call to preach and the call to go into ministry at the age of 19, that he skipped his college classes and drove over 350 miles to hear Dr. W.A. Criswell preach, he went up after the message was over to shake the hand of Dr. Criswell and Dr. Criswell prayed over him. Warren made it sound like Dr. Criswell passed some kind of mantle to him that day.

Truth – I was a member of FBC-Dallas for 12 years, during the end of Dr. Criswell’s ministry there. Dr. Criswell did this regularly [praying over young men called to ministry]. Dr. Criswell started The Criswell College because he had a soft spot in his heart for young men going into ministry. While he was alive and could get donations for the College, the tuition there was only slightly higher than the Dallas Community College system then. I know I went there a couple of semesters in the early 1990′s.

I’m no longer going to be posting new posts here.

I left some posts up from the last few months on Rob Bell, Rick Warren, Mark Driscoll, Joel Osteen, and John Piper.

For new content go to

http://pilgrimagetogeneva.com/

Mar.16, 2011 by Out of the Horse’s Mouth Blog

Are heaven and hell subjective states of mind or real objective places? That’s the focus of this special BONUS edition of the White Horse Inn as the hosts talk with Kevin DeYoung, author of The Good News We Almost Forgot, and What is the Mission of the Church? The interview primarily centers on Kevin’s recent review of the controversial new release, Love Wins: A Book About Heaven, Hell, and the Fate of Every Person Who Ever Lived by Rob Bell.

What is the Mission of the Church?
Kevin DeYoung & Greg Gilbert (forthcoming from Crossway)
Why We’re Not Emergent
Kevin DeYoung & Ted Kluck
The Good News We Almost Forgot
Kevin DeYoung
The Christian Faith
Michael Horton

Rob Bell’s Love Wins Interview with Lisa Miller of Newsweek

• Rob Bell’s Love Wins Interview with Lisa Miller of Newsweek

Note: This post is long. You can go here for a PDF version of the 20-page review.

Love Wins, by megachurch pastor Rob Bell, is, as the subtitle suggests, “a book about heaven, hell, and the fate of every person who ever lived.” Here’s the gist: Hell is what we create for ourselves when we reject God’s love. Hell is both a present reality for those who resist God and a future reality for those who die unready for God’s love. Hell is what we make of heaven when we cannot accept the good news of God’s forgiveness and mercy. But hell is not forever. God will have his way. How can his good purposes fail? Every sinner will turn to God and realize he has already been reconciled to God, in this life or in the next. There will be no eternal conscious torment. God says no to injustice in the age to come, but he does not pour out wrath (we bring the temporary suffering upon ourselves), and he certainly does not punish for eternity. In the end, love wins.

Bell correctly notes (many times) that God is love. He also observes that Jesus is Jewish, the resurrection is important, and the phrase “personal relationship with God” is not in the Bible. He usually makes his argument by referencing Scripture. He is easy to read and obviously feels very deeply for those who have been wronged or seem to be on the outside looking in.

Unfortunately, beyond this, there are dozens of problems with Love Wins. The theology is heterodox. The history is inaccurate. The impact on souls is devastating. And the use of Scripture is indefensible. Worst of all, Love Wins demeans the cross and misrepresents God’s character.

To Read More……

Rob Bell trying to explain the basis of his controversial book to his congregation, after many concerns from members of that congregation.

Also See
UNREST WITH ROB BELL INSIDE MARS HILL BIBLE CHURCH

There are very disturbing ideas being promulgated in these modern times regarding the Church of Jesus Christ. It is being done not only by those on the proverbial religious fringe, but within mainstream protestant denominations; and not only that but by highly popular, and very public, so-called ‘new calvinists’ preachers and conference speakers.

I say disturbing, because those who are making such ideas popular seem to have a faulty understanding of the nature of the Church itself. That is not only disturbing – given their influence on the young, reformed and restless – but also dangerous. Dangerous because false. When it comes to Biblical truth and the proclamation thereof, false is bad.

Missional Falsehood

Missional. It is quite the buzzword these days. It is popular among ‘the reformed’. In fact, it is beyond popular, it is almost considered biblically necessary. From Tim Keller, Mark Driscoll and a hosts of SBC wanna-be’s to the Gospel Coalition, being missional is all the rage. It is also unbiblical, as presented, and I have no hesitation in saying so. In fact, I must say so, because those with whom influence rests are silent or participatory in it. They dare not risk their glorious theological careers.

For example, Tim Keller, from his recent lecture “Contextual and Missional” at Urban Plant Life Conference in London, spoke regarding the nature of a missional church – please read this quote carefully:

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via 5 Pt. Salt

HT – Apprising Ministries

or listen to

Becoming a Better You from the Christless Christianity: 2010 West Coast Conference

Mark Driscoll
The online haters club had fun w/Osteens interview this week. Whatever u think getting grilled by media is tougher than thinking thru your answers for a week & posting them from your moms basement while wearing  pajamas for your 2 Facebook friends/sisters

13 hours ago via iPhone

http://www.facebook.com/pastormark/posts/148405791885075

HT – Dan Phillips

So is Mark is being a Hater in his mom’s basement here?

The Daniel Plan

• Rick Warren’s “Daniel Plan” and the Cultist He’s Partnered With
• Sermon Review: “Shattered Dreams” Byron Bledsoe, C3 Church, Orlando, Florida

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